It seems like what we really need is what I call 'dispstchable demand', or an energy heavy Industrial users who would get a big discount on their connection costs in exchange for them bidding in to the real time dispatch pool as if they were a generator, just with negative quantities.
They would have to have a fairly broad bid curve (price vs volume), that would cut most of their demand before OCGT and preferably CCGT marginal costs are reached. They might have to pre-commit to this curve to get the discount.
Given we dont really have these industrial users at scale yet, its a market that needs to be developed yet...
That amounts to wiring industrial customers up to the broader ISO/RTO system. Doable, potentially even a good idea for these large loads, but that doesn’t solve the hardware and software implementation problems.
And we do have those industrial users at scale—most pressingly, datacenters.
They are most definitely not willing to be dispatched in that sort of way routine way. They *may* be willing to have some peak event kinds of cuts as a comprimise to get any service qt all, but based on their Capex, their marginal willingness to pay should be north of $500/MWh, if that dispatch comes at a moment when they have a paying customer for that particular capacity.
Don't generators already have a software and communication stack that works for their disptch? That was part of the idea, to ride on the *generator* software stack, not a seperate demand response stack?
It seems like what we really need is what I call 'dispstchable demand', or an energy heavy Industrial users who would get a big discount on their connection costs in exchange for them bidding in to the real time dispatch pool as if they were a generator, just with negative quantities.
They would have to have a fairly broad bid curve (price vs volume), that would cut most of their demand before OCGT and preferably CCGT marginal costs are reached. They might have to pre-commit to this curve to get the discount.
Given we dont really have these industrial users at scale yet, its a market that needs to be developed yet...
That amounts to wiring industrial customers up to the broader ISO/RTO system. Doable, potentially even a good idea for these large loads, but that doesn’t solve the hardware and software implementation problems.
And we do have those industrial users at scale—most pressingly, datacenters.
They are most definitely not willing to be dispatched in that sort of way routine way. They *may* be willing to have some peak event kinds of cuts as a comprimise to get any service qt all, but based on their Capex, their marginal willingness to pay should be north of $500/MWh, if that dispatch comes at a moment when they have a paying customer for that particular capacity.
Don't generators already have a software and communication stack that works for their disptch? That was part of the idea, to ride on the *generator* software stack, not a seperate demand response stack?
Generators are typically dispatched by the v1.0 Control Room Operator.